cliff. bring to me a deal we can start negotiating. >> david, karen was saying earlier she feel that is speaker boehner doesn't really have a lot of leverage or room for maneuver. we've all been focused on the president's assertion that the tax rates for the top 2% are going up but that's not the only thing that the president wants to alive is it? because he also wants to prevent these periodic fights over the debt ceiling. he's had enough of that, hasn't he? >> well, it sounds like you read the piece i had out today, so thank you for doing that, martin. talking to people in the white house, the president is very adamant. he has a red line here which is if there's going to be a big deal, and i mean a deal that gets into entitlements, spending cuts, and pearce them off with tax rates, he says that has to include no more hostage taking on the debt ceiling. people remember this from a year and a half ago. the president felt it was an unconstitutional ewe surption of power on behalf of congress